[Nigal]

We have quite a bit of stuff happen on some of the bike paths here but I don't carry mine on the bike. If you have the training, permit and feel the need to carry by all means carry away. The more legit guns on the streets the better IMHO.

[SUX VR40 Rider]

If something happens while riding bike it will likely happen while you are riding and moving on the bike. Something could also happen when you stop at a light but are still on the bike. That said is your gun within easy reach where you could pull it out and use it? If you are moving are you able to control your bike and aim and fire a gun at the same time? Have you trained for this? If you are moving and you pull the ugn to use it how sure are you that you're going to hit your intended target? Do you want it on your conscience that you fired a gun, missed the intended target and killed a child playing in her front yard? What if a bad guy tries to use his car as a weapon to take you out? Would you pull your gun while moving on your bike? If you fired at the car and missed what about the mini-van full of a soccer mom and kids from the team going for ice cream after the game in the other lane? The bad guy is not going to wait until you stop get your gun out and use it on him. He is there to do you harm, period.

Or is your gun more for when you are stopped and off the bike? The bad guy is not going to wait for this either. If he wants to do you harm he will do it on his schedule and at the quickest oppurtunity, even if it means he does you harm while you're moving on the bike, not on your schedule when you're stopped and off the bike.

[Industry_Hack]

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If something happens while riding bike it will likely happen while you are riding and moving on the bike. Something could also happen when you stop at a light but are still on the bike. That said is your gun within easy reach where you could pull it out and use it? If you are moving are you able to control your bike and aim and fire a gun at the same time? Have you trained for this? If you are moving and you pull the ugn to use it how sure are you that you're going to hit your intended target? Do you want it on your conscience that you fired a gun, missed the intended target and killed a child playing in her front yard? What if a bad guy tries to use his car as a weapon to take you out? Would you pull your gun while moving on your bike? If you fired at the car and missed what about the mini-van full of a soccer mom and kids from the team going for ice cream after the game in the other lane? The bad guy is not going to wait until you stop get your gun out and use it on him. He is there to do you harm, period.

Or is your gun more for when you are stopped and off the bike? The bad guy is not going to wait for this either. If he wants to do you harm he will do it on his schedule and at the quickest oppurtunity, even if it means he does you harm while you're moving on the bike, not on your schedule when you're stopped and off the bike.

Seriously?

[SUX VR40 Rider]

Originally Posted by Industry_Hack

Seriously?

Uh yes, seriously.

[Industry_Hack]

Go take a concealed carry class, and study the law a bit.

[SUX VR40 Rider]

I am not going to take a concealed carry class because I have no reason to as I do not own a gun. My educated guess is there are a lot of restrictions when using a gun. I am thinking one of them is you are not to use while moving in or on a vehicle of the roadway. I also think one is it has to be equal force with equal force. So if the bad guy does not have a deadly weapon you are not allowed to use yours.

[Industry_Hack]

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

I am not going to take a concealed carry class because I have no reason to as I do not own a gun. My educated guess is there are a lot of restrictions when using a gun. I am thinking one of them is you are not to use while moving in or on a vehicle of the roadway. I also think one is it has to be equal force with equal force. So if the bad guy does not have a deadly weapon you are not allowed to use yours.

Incorrect on both counts. There are no moving vehicle or roadway restrictions, but the law is very specific in some states that you have a duty to retreat. So in some cases, you would only be justified in using lethal force if there was no other option.

In my state, you are allowed to use lethal force if you feel that you are in imminent danger of harm, which would include serious injury, rape, or murder. That means that a scrawny 100lb crackhead armed with a knife may not be a threat to me, but a 300lb Pacific Islander armed with nothing but his fists could be a threat to my fiance'. Got it?

[SUX VR40 Rider]

Originally Posted by Industry_Hack

Incorrect on both counts. There are no moving vehicle or roadway restrictions, but the law is very specific in some states that you have a duty to retreat. So in some cases, you would only be justified in using lethal force if there was no other option.

In my state, you are allowed to use lethal force if you feel that you are in imminent danger of harm, which would include serious injury, rape, or murder. That means that a scrawny 100lb crackhead armed with a knife may not be a threat to me, but a 300lb Pacific Islander armed with nothing but his fists could be a threat to my fiance'. Got it?

And what happens if you fire because you are in imminent danger, miss the intended target and hit and kill an innocent bystander, like a kid in the minivan in the other lane or the little girl playing in her front yard? I mena what happens besided feelign bad about it? What happens legally? Whether civil or criminal? What do the laws in your state say about that?

[Industry_Hack]

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

And what happens if you fire because you are in imminent danger, miss the intended target and hit and kill an innocent bystander, like a kid in the minivan in the other lane or the little girl playing in her front yard? I mena what happens besided feelign bad about it? What happens legally? Whether civil or criminal? What do the laws in your state say about that?

I would have to check on that. In some situations, the burden of proof would be on the shooter to prove they did not act recklessly, in other situations the burden of proof is on the state. In both cases, the shooter may be required to prove their competency when it comes to handling a weapon. Sucks to be the guy that buys a gun but never trains with it. I've been shooting for 27 years, and can count training on the local police range with the SWAT trainer.

I'm not about to shoot recklessly, and am comfortable with hitting my target within the limits of whichever weapon I carry. For my 642, that's 25' or less. If you're farther away, you're not a threat.

[funetical]

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If something happens while riding bike it will likely happen while you are riding and moving on the bike. Something could also happen when you stop at a light but are still on the bike. That said is your gun within easy reach where you could pull it out and use it?

Yes one of the first things your taught is that a non accesible gun is a liability. If your going to carry you must be able to use it. the majority of possible encounters are robberies. Putting your firearm in the intended target of the offender is ignorant.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If you are moving are you able to control your bike and aim and fire a gun at the same time? Have you trained for this?

No I haven't.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If you are moving and you pull the ugn to use it how sure are you that you're going to hit your intended target?

98%

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

Do you want it on your conscience that you fired a gun, missed the intended target and killed a child playing in her front yard?

No. That's why I practice.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

What if a bad guy tries to use his car as a weapon to take you out? Would you pull your gun while moving on your bike?

It's not that hard to get off a bike. If my accidental falling off a bike took no time I can pretty much assume that if bodily harm is immenent, I might move a touch faster.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If you fired at the car and missed what about the mini-van full of a soccer mom and kids from the team going for ice cream after the game in the other lane?

Bullets aren't magic. The majority of bullets when fired at an intended target make contact. Those that hit hard metal objects usually fragment lose velocity and become non lethal. The bullets that do ricochet have a similar probability of still hitting the intended target as opposed to hunting down a minivan with kids and murdering them all. If you're trained in the use of firearms which to carry legally you must be.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

The bad guy is not going to wait until you stop get your gun out and use it on him. He is there to do you harm, period.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

Or is your gun more for when you are stopped and off the bike?

Could be, the situation I'm placed in will determine my reaction. I will not place myself in harms way there fore the stipulations of engagement are not left to me.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

The bad guy is not going to wait for this either.

Nope. What are you going to do? He's in a car he has a gun and your bike although being awesome is not going to carry you out to safety in the needed time frame. Your stuck.

Originally Posted by Freemason Cyclist

If he wants to do you harm he will do it on his schedule and at the quickest oppurtunity, even if it means he does you harm while you're moving on the bike, not on your schedule when you're stopped and off the bike.

My response although on his schedule is not what he is expecting. Having a gun pointed at you is terrifying for everybody. It is then my decision to defend myself, or suffer the consequences of not doing it. Criminals aren't the Tooth fairy. Violence isn't just something on TV. It's real and it happens. At the first sign of trouble who do you call? The police. Why? They have guns. If not they would be useless.