[doug]

That's it. I don't really care (re: the discussion above, I fall on the side that custom bikes are probably necessary for people with extreme leg/torso/arm dimensions and people with serious back/neck issues, but seatpost/stem/crank/steeringtube choices can give so many options. On the other hand, stock bikes can rarely meet the fit/comfort/efficiency the best builders can create. But my dimensions are sort of average, and my back can tolerate a stock frame) But that's what I was saying, for a "good" Ti frame, the cost doesn't seem that different between stock and custom in the Ti bikes, if you need the brazons and a steel fork. (I don't think carbon forks are such a good idea for a heavy rider with the possibility of front paniers.)

[Industry_Hack]

Bikesdirect seems to have a lot of titanium offerings. If you're planning on touring, I'd look at a complete cross bike, and plan on swapping out the fork.

[Industry_Hack]

I'm partial to this one, and would happily give up a front rack option for a front disc brake, and the ability to run some wide rubber. Or swap the fork for a steel one.

[doug]

years ago I checked out Habenera bikes. (I even called them up) As to the Motobecan fantom TI. Looks great. I've emailed bikesdirect to get some info, although I think I have some answers just from looking around. You're right the fantom looks good at a great price. (I'm a Chorus guy, but my wife is Ultegra, so I work on both). (There's a tiny problem, I'm not sure if I would buy a Taiwanese frame - Motobecane; and I try to avoid Habenera's source. I won't get into arguments about this, it's like preferring one icecream over another. It's just a choice.) I guess that's why I keep seeing prices over 3k. Beer budget w/ a different taste. But the fantom gives me pause, so thanks for the tip. I'll keep looking at it. It's an incredible price when you compare that with 3400 for frame & fork, plus 1600 for wheels and components. Less than half the price. Strange.

[Mootsguy]

Originally Posted by doug

years ago I checked out Habenera bikes. (I even called them up) As to the Motobecan fantom TI. Looks great.

Over the years I have had great success with Randonneur They will, for a small up-charge, build custom specs for you if you need them.

[Industry_Hack]

OK, contact Warwick at Thylacine Cycles. I'm sure he can design a frame for less than $3,400.00, and he will not lead you astray. Tell him Brian sent you.

[doug]

Thanks...everyone. great recommendations.
doug

[jocww]

Litespeed makes a nice ti frame, friends dad has that and a time carbon fork. He got it new about 11 yrs ago fitted with campy stuff. Nice ride. Kind of heavy though.