thanks guys... i think. lol
Hack, i do like the point 1
Mark, the biggest difference is the pins as hack said. the other differences are the thickness... thinner flats give a longer stroke before they roll and therefore are more efficient. the other thing is looks... and i do care about looks!
Tedzo, glad to make your day even at my own expense

i will take a pick of the bike lacking grips... it has pedals on it that need to be replaced, they have non replaceable pins and are too ordinary.
this is the Commencal