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Old 10-18-2009, 02:44 AM   #1
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Out Lawing Geared and bikes with shocks from racing

Does anyone else think bikes with gears and/or shocks should not be allowed in BMX races? I live in the north east so I am not sure that this happens everywhere. It's fine that someone uses a MTB bike for one race but every week. I mean WTF you can spend god knows how much for your dirt jumping mountain bike but can't pick up a used race bike for a couple hundred bucks. Anyone else out there with me.


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You've confused me. Are you saying that your BMX track lets guys race on mountain bikes? Do those guys get spanked?


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Old 10-18-2009, 06:02 PM   #3
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They use dirt jumping mountain bikes in the cruiser class. I took one around the track one day for fun but it is a bit smoother with the shock eating up some of the bumps after we had a rainy week and there are some inperfections in the track. Also clearing the jumps is easier if you learn to preload the fork and have it help you shoot you up.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:44 AM   #4
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Actually its perfectly legal. In fact, mongoose even made a 3 speed, 1 in rear travel bmx race frame in the mid 90's.

The reason DJ and slalom bikes are allowed in BMX is because it is classified under the "cruiser" class, which means any bike 24in tire or bigger. Now they should never be racing 20in bikes as that is a different class.


And no industry, they don't get spanked. I have no issue tearing a guy on a top end bmx cruiser up on my urban/4x bike. Whole ordeal is 4x is basically dh bmx racing. It's completely changed since dual slalom. Your seeing more hardtails and stiffer suspension now making the bikes actually feel better than the bmx counterparts.


But yes, ABA and NBL allow them. Your screwed. its nothing about them being too cheap for a bmx bike. Its how the bikes feel. I absolutely hate how my bmx feels now since I race DH mtb and ride urban and 4x. My bmx bike has an awkward low down riding style and geometry, while my mountain bikes have a higher riding slung back feeling. Its easier to move around a 4x bike than a cruiser. All preferance. I actually like the fact more people are getting off bmx cruisers and onto 4x bikes. Its helping progress racing, and bringing a whole new style of riding and riders to the bmx scene.


And no benny, your thinking about "preloading" from a bmx stand point. You don't use suspension to "bump you up" you don't use it to help you jump. Its not like it used to be in the early 90's with those crap suspension forks they had. All the 4x forks do is soak up hard landings. Just like on my dh bike, I don't preload my 8in of travel when I jump, I just huck off the lip. Same on the 4x bike. Your not cheating by using suspension. In any case it will make them slower because each pedal gets cushioned by the forks taking away from pedaling efficiency, meaning you should have no problem railing them on a bmx bike.
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The reason DJ and slalom bikes are allowed in BMX is because it is classified under the "cruiser" class, which means any bike 24in tire or bigger. Now they should never be racing 20in bikes as that is a different class.
They mixed cruisers and 20" bikes where I raced.
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They mixed cruisers and 20" bikes where I raced.
that would be against aba / nbl rules. I'm guessing it was more or less a non sanctioned event or was it?
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It was in Australia, and the Masters Class.
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What sanctioning league was it though? Class like x, inter, masters means nada because there is two of each. X cruiser, x 20, master 20, master cruiser. In any mainstream league you will never see the 2 mixed.
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BMX Australia is affiliated with the UCI. How often did you race over there that you know the rules?
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I know the rules to League racing. I never said I knew local race rules, which was why I was guessing you were racing in a non world wide event, not sanctioned by a league. IE my poinit in asking you "who was the sanctioning league".

Basically any serious biking league doesn't allow it. Period. Its an international league standard. Any true racer would know that.

And no, I have no been over there, but I have also raced all over. Leagues have standard rules. They won't vary. The whole point is, if a league allows 26in mountain bikes against 20in bikes it isn't what I call a "legit" league. Its more or less just a local fun league. No UCI affialited league would promote such a race, especially since UCI specifically goes against that kind of mixing.


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