[froze]

Originally Posted by punisher59

Yes man has been well equipped to eat meat. But early man who had to hunt his meat often failed more than he succeeded to catch his meaty prey. Thus nuts and plants formed the majority of his diet. The thought of eating a "Seared Meat" almost raw diet is dangerous. Just searing the outside of mass production meat products will not be sufficient to properly and safely prepare the meat you buy in the supermarket. These products are flavor enhanced by injection of fluids, the injection needles used carry surface bacteria into the bed of the meat, to kill it, the product has to be brought to 165 degrees for fifteen seconds throughout. A " Seared Diet" might work on self butcher or non injected custom butcher shop products, I for one have seen the effects of EColi on a person. Not pretty. But then again even peanut butter improperly handled can get you, a great source of veggie protein. I myself follow a 20/80 diet, 20% meat 80% veggie. Fin and feather based when possible, but admit I sneak a chili dog from time to time, my reason? I pack on pounds to easy.

And they found e-coli in tomatoes and spinach and other veggies. My diet is not all that different then yours, I eat about 20 to maybe 30% meat and the rest veggies, fruit and grains.

Speaking of eating right, if you eat right your body has no need to extra vitamin intake thus you can save a lot of money skipping buying vitamins that only about 10% or less of which gets absorbed, the rest you pee away, and in some cases becomes toxic.

[froze]

Originally Posted by qmsdc15

'Il Campionissimo', not 'some cyclist'. His body required exactly the same nutrients as you and I.

All essential amino acids are available from plants sources.

Vitamin B12 deficiency can be a problem for vegans. If you eat dairy you get plenty of it.

Wrong again. Every body is different. I knew people who raced bikes in California, the land of vegans. Some riders could ride on nothing but veggies and others could not. Read those sites I gave. As far as diet is concern Campionissimo is just some cyclist that a veggie diet works for, but there are a slew of other pros that it doesn't work for.

[qmsdc15]

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[froze]

Originally Posted by qmsdc15

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Not sure why you deleted your post, it was kind of funny. No, I'm not back to winning races because I retire before I became a failed Vegan. But I was always in the training mode just scaled the miles down to less then half. It was in that period of scaled down miles I tried the vegan think. It was in the late 70's to the mid 80's when I raced, and due to my first child coming in 84 I retire so I could spend time with her and my wife instead of my bike and going places. I only got to Cat 3 level and was moderately successful, nothing to jump up and down about. Most of the riders I knew that were serious were riding 20,000 plus miles a year and I was doing 15,000, a lot of those serious riders were doping...that's what I said, doping, I wasn't; most had trainers I didn't (money thing). So about the time racing got to be a real drag my first child came along, so I had a good excuse to get out. My new (actually not new idea, I've been wanting to do this for the last 35 years!) ambition in riding is to tour across the USA for about 6 months when I retire in 10 years at 68, unless the 401k does better then maybe sooner! After I do the tour I may go back into racing again in the senior citizen category, maybe start up an old folks team and call the Geritol Gang.

[Nigal]

I'm enjoying finding new ways to make things. I've been enjoying this guy's videos.

Vegan Stuffed Shells - Cooking with The Vegan Zombie Episode 1 - YouTube

Vegan Stuffed Shells - Cooking with The Vegan Zombie Episode 1 - YouTube

[qmsdc15]

Originally Posted by froze

Not sure why you deleted your post, it was kind of funny. I'm glad you were amused

Most of the riders I knew that were serious were riding 20,000 plus miles a year and I was doing 15,000, a lot of those serious riders were doping...that's what I said, doping, I wasn't... I thought it was the meat that made them go fast

...My new (actually not new idea, I've been wanting to do this for the last 35 years!) ambition in riding is to tour across the USA for about 6 months when I retire in 10 years at 68, unless the 401k does better then maybe sooner! After I do the tour I may go back into racing again in the senior citizen category, maybe start up an old folks team and call the Geritol Gang.

Good luck with that.

[froze]

Originally Posted by qmsdc15

Good luck with that.

With the way the market is going I'm going to need a lot of luck with the 401k! Fortunately I have no personal debt so that kind of eases some of the pain, but I still need money to live on. Probably once I come back from doing the tour I'll probably go back to work regardless, doing something completely different then what I do now with less hours, maybe a true 40 hour work week, wouldn't that be a grand idea? I can't really see myself retiring completely, I would be too bored.

[chi-trekker]

Add Celiac's to the vegetarian diet and you've got me. Makes easy eating (anything) history. So for me it's whole foods, nothing processed, or very little processed if it can be trusted, and there's not much out there. But I never crave meat, and haven't in a good long time, many years, and as someone else has said the way meats are produced would totally turn me off anyway. Which has led me to feed my dogs a vegetarian diet too, a complete balanced diet, so I know it's possible. Talk about carnivores, they are dogs for gods sake. They do get one scrambled egg divided between the seven of them on their kibble once per day, I'm that thoughtful, and I keep free range chickens so eggs are easy. And all the carrots they can eat. So I survive very well on lentils, rice, veggies, lots of varieties of mushrooms, chia, fruits, etc etc. Protein bars are good. My juicer gets a lot of use, hemp protein powder mixed in, I do very well, it works for me. All of course organic. Bike riding is healthy living, like good food, all very thoughtful.