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Electric Bicycle Road Racing Theory
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Electric Bicycle Racing With Battery Capacity Limitation
I actually talked with the sponsor of this event and suggested using a 1000 watt input limit, but this group is primarily made up of streamliner recumbents and they really can't attack the corners safely. Because of this, the choice went to Battery Capacity Limiting instead. However, the sponsor did listen to me when it came to the motor power and set a 1000 watt limit on the motor: HPC - ePower Events Non metered racers will further be limited to a system with a maximum 1000 watt continuous rated motor. They use standard wattage meters like the WattsUp meter and after the race if you go over your limit of watts they penalize your score. It's more of an individual time trial. This is not a PINO sport however, and pedaling helps a great deal in assisting the motor since they give a rather small wattage limit given the distances. So if you are interested in this type of racing you should follow that link for more information. Last edited by safe; 07-27-2010 at 12:08 AM. |
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Electric Bicycle Road Racing With Unlimited Power
The "Death Race" is an "Outlaw Culture" race for 50cc gas powered motorized bikes. Electric Bikes have essentially "crashed the party" and are making efforts to get involved. The electric bikes are strictly PINO (Pedals In Name Only - "Pee No") and can have Unlimited Power. These machines are not even close to being street legal. Death Race 2010 If you aren't an "Outlaw" don't even bother! Last edited by safe; 07-26-2010 at 11:43 PM. |
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Electric Bicycle Road Racing With 1000 Watt Input Limit
That's why it's a "theory" thread. ![]() Hopefully I'll be posting information of upcoming races for the 1000 Watt input class someday. What is needed is a "Cycling Culture" as a base because EBRR should be a sport for athletes, but it also requires a willingness to look at electric power as a sort of bionic extension of human power. On VERSUS when they covered the Tour de France they talked about worries that small 200 watt motors might be hidden in frames and apparently they even xrayed some bikes to check for it. So the idea of electric assisted racing is "in the air" but the actual racing implementation is fractured into different subcultures. The EBRR scene is at present "Balkanized". Last edited by safe; 07-27-2010 at 12:06 AM. |
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The Cyclists View
ES: Veloman Quote:
1000 Watt Input Limiting EBRR tries to lure the Cyclist back into the sport. The attempt might never work for the very reasons that Veloman has stated, that part of the Cyclist "pride" is that they have in effect done it themselves. Lance Armstrong even titled his autobiography: "It's Not About The Bike" |
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Some BMX History...
Check out wikipedia: BMX racing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Other notable American sanctioning bodies Along with the majors and pioneers, there were other BMX governing bodies, both national and regional and past and present. Among them were the Bicycle Motocross League (BMXL); the United Bicycle Racers Association (UBR) (1977-1983); the United States Bicycle Motocross Association (USBA) (1984-1986), which merged with the ABA at the end of the 1986 racing season after financial trouble made it unsustainable; the International Cycling Association (ICA), which was started in part by professional racer Greg Hill in 1990; and the Southeast Region-based National Pedal Sport Association (NPSA) (1975-1985). They are all gone now, but they did make, for good or ill, an impact on the American BMX scene. My comments: Apparently the beginning of BMX was at least as fragmented as the beginning of EBRR. While BMX seemed to have a single definition of what the bike would look like they still managed to create multiple racing organizations where many did not survive. As I've pointed out in previous postings EBRR is already divided into at least four classifications now: Battery Capacity Limiting Unlimited Power Unlimited Power - Lite (weight limited) 1000 Watt Input Limited (Federal Ebike Law) ...so if history is our guide chaos at this stage of the process is normal. The very fact that so much chaos exists means that there is interest so we should see it as a positive sign. |
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The Big Picture
What is the purpose of EBRR? Is it racing? Actually No. The real reason behind the creation of a sport like EBRR is to create a new set of products that will be bought by millions of people. What? I thought that racing was about passion and EBRR was going to be the new Mixed Martial Arts of bike racing and ESPN and VERSUS were going to one day put shows about it on the air. Well, those are true... I would hope all that happens... but the real reason to have the excitement in the sport is so that people will want to buy the product and find a means of transportation that does not use gasoline. The racing is in effect just the advertising for the product to give people something fun to connect with. Most people that would buy an EBRR bike would just ride it around the neighborhood and get to a friends house or run an errand. The deep secret of EBRR is that it's supposed to be "practical" as well as fun. This is why it's so important to keep it legal. If the racing rules are so different from the street rules then no one will buy the product because no ordinary person wants something that is only usable on a racetrack. The bigger picture is about mass production. |
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Rich Man's Hobby, Poor Man's Disease
It's said that: "Racing is a rich man's hobby and a poor man's disease." Many people who are rich are that way because of inheritance. Since the "fun" of making money is not really available to them (daddy made the money long ago) they need some other outlet for their passions and so racing is an avenue for the "idle rich" to find pleasure. For the poor it's a matter of misdirection. The poor "should" read the bible, learn self discipline, and then apply themselves in the "real world" of business so that they can get themselves out of being poor. When a poor person chooses racing as a hobby this is a sickness and a misdirection of where they should actually be directing their passion. For the poor racing is like an addictive drug. The "healthy place" for racing (like with Electric Bicycle Road Racing) is as a passage from youth to adulthood. The same competitive energy that one channels on the racetrack is then passed along to later life when one gets into business. Racing "should" build positive morals as it teaches that greed and fear are always in balance. Too much greed for speed at the wrong time and you crash. Racing done right teaches the American culture of honest free enterprise and self reliance which are positive traits. |
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Sad Demographic Realities
America is obese... and it's not just adults, but even the children are obese. In the Southern states it's worse because of the weather, but across all the states people have gotten fatter recently. Ebike riders tend to follow the national trends and are often even worse off as many take up the hobby because of advancing age or poor health. Overall the base demographic to draw from for a sport like EBRR is pretty grim. Cyclists are abnormal because they buck the obesity trends and so they are actually the ones who best represent the future of any kind of athletic sport. Cyclists who would consider electric assisted racing might be rare though. The core "problem" as I see it now is that if you expect any type of racing to emerge "organically" from out of shape Americans that it will tend to mirror the trends of those that are into ebikes now. Unhealthy people will want sports that unheathly people can do. So I'm aware of the disconnect between present reality and "ideal" future reality. The present unhealthy demographic is not very good raw material to get anything started. |
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Business is always Conservative By Nature
![]() Shimano Steps Shimano unveils Pedelec Motor with Long-life Battery - ExtraEnergy.org When Shimano made the corporate decision to get into the electric bike motor market they did so in the most conservative way possible. Their Steps 250 watt motor is the lowest common denominator across the worlds legal standards. In the US you are allowed three times as much power, but if Shimano chose to build a 750 watt electric bike motor they would be limited to sales in the US. This should make us think... If EBRR is to be a success you can't expect major corporations to fund the mass production if they perceive the investment as "risky". Any EBRR racing class that goes above 750 watts (1000 watt input) is going to alienate the world of mass production and the real people that lose out is the general public. Business is conservative, it will never support racing that can't be sold anywhere. |
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