[qmsdc15]

I'm in the south, in a very humid area.

[froze]

Originally Posted by ViBiker

You could run 7 eCars, each, 5000 miles annually, for the cost-electricity used by 1 little 1000 watt air conditioner!
The simple math version.



Instead of using hydrolysis, 95% of hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels, oil, coal, natural gas etc.

So you would be taking gasoline, processing it with large quantities of energy, transforming it into a highly explosive form, containing it in an expensive high technology containment system, then have to pay 10 times the price of the original gasoline? ... Ouch!

Hydrogen Bomb!

Again, this is all nothing but ViBiker theology, you posted no proof. Ouch huh?

But I see you would rather release toxins in the air with electric cars, not to mention the battery toxins, then you would releasing harmless water vapor? And you call yourself environmentalist? Don't quit your day job!

But again as always your wrong on this subject. It's a well known fact that Hydrogen is a better fuel than gasoline, it actually has the highest energy content per unit of weight of any known fuel. Educate yourself and read.

The biggest drawback to hydrogen is putting in refueling stations, but just as gas stations, this would be done by private enterprise instead of tax dollars or increase in your power bill to improve the grid.

However there's new technology that just got patented called ultracapacitor by a company called EEStor, the idea is that a series of these capacitors would take the place of batteries, they would charge up in matter of minutes instead of hours and could run a car for 500 miles instead of only 100 miles at best with a battery car; there would be in infinite number of charges they system could take instead of a very finite one thus no landfill toxins. Some are doubting the inventors claims but venture capital group Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, which made big payoff early bets on companies like Google Inc and Amazon.com Inc, hint that EEStor may be on the edge of a breakthrough technology. So far there's been at least 113 million dollars on investment money given to this project...somebody thinks it's for real! If this is the real deal then your idea of battery powered electric cars will go flying out the window. See: Eestor Batteries - Eestor Battery Information, News, and Discussion Board.

As you can tell, at least I read some of this stuff...you? nah, you just like to spout off.

[ViBiker]

Originally Posted by ViBiker

You could run 7 eCars, each, 5000 miles annually, for the cost-electricity used by 1 little 1000 watt air conditioner!
The simple math version.



Instead of using hydrolysis, 95% of hydrogen is produced from fossil fuels, oil, coal, natural gas etc.

So you would be taking gasoline, processing it with large quantities of energy, transforming it into a highly explosive form, containing it in an expensive high technology containment system, then have to pay 10 times the price of the original gasoline? ... Ouch!

Hydrogen Bomb!

Originally Posted by froze

But again as always your wrong on this subject. It's a well known fact that Hydrogen is a better fuel than gasoline, it actually has the highest energy content per unit of weight of any known fuel. Educate yourself and read.

Since Hydrogen is produced ... from fossil fuels, all the carbon and toxins of burning fossil fuels are still produced, as waste products of the process. So Hydrogen is as bad as gasoline ... ooh! ... plus all the energy "wasted" in the transformation process! ... Hydrogen Production

Originally Posted by froze

However there's new technology that just got patented called ultracapacitor by a company called EEStor, the idea is that a series of these capacitors would take the place of batteries, they would charge up in matter of minutes instead of hours and could run a car for 500 miles instead of only 100 miles at best with a battery car; there would be in infinite number of charges they system could take instead of a very finite one thus no landfill toxins. Some are doubting the inventors claims but venture capital group Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, which made big payoff early bets on companies like Google Inc and Amazon.com Inc, hint that EEStor may be on the edge of a breakthrough technology. So far there's been at least 113 million dollars on investment money given to this project...somebody thinks it's for real! If this is the real deal then your idea of battery powered electric cars will go flying out the window. See: Eestor Batteries - Eestor Battery Information, News, and Discussion Board.

Duh! Fraid to tell you, the "ultracapacitor" is a type of battery!
The capacitor has been around for centuries, in fact, it was the first reasonable type of battery.
The technology is still used today, but due to extreme size required, it is used, almost exclusively, to buffer minute quantities of electricity.
It would be great if the technology were feasible, but we don't see it yet ...

Oh! ... and as a computer tech, I see capacitors fail, on an, almost daily, basis.
A few years ago, beginning about 1994, a "new and improved" formulation-development, of capacitor type, resulted in a near 100% failure after about 2-4 years of use. The swollen and leaking "caps" destroyed some companies, and hit hard, major manufacturers like Dell, Compaq, Acer, eMachine etc. Capacitor Plague

You might want to be careful, energy release is so ... "dramatic", even 1/1000th of a second, could easily, be fatal! The little capacitors, in the old TVs caused dramatic injuries, and deaths.

In order to be efficient electrical storage, voltage would have to be extremely high, nearing Lightening voltages!
Like ... any insulation mistake ... or a collision accident ... and ... OUCH!

[froze]

Duh, of course there is no energy lost in the production of batteries and gasoline, duh yup

[ViBiker]

Originally Posted by froze

Duh, of course there is no energy lost in the production of batteries and gasoline, duh yup

Did you learn anything from the links?
They were awfully important to you!
Yes? ... apparently!
No ... ?

Well ... At least, you were able to learn a new word. ... duh.

[photosbymark]

Originally Posted by qmsdc15

I'm in the south, in a very humid area.

Profile says Maryland, so assumed you were there. I grew up in Mississippi with no air conditioning. Not because of any other reason other than my dad couldn't afford it. Summers there were near 100 and humidity that was high enough that the sweat had a great deal of trouble evaporating. We got by with a window fan back then, but as soon as my dad could afford it, we had AC and it was a really great day to have a window unit.

[qmsdc15]

Originally Posted by photosbymark

Profile says Maryland, so assumed you were there. I grew up in Mississippi with no air conditioning. Not because of any other reason other than my dad couldn't afford it. Summers there were near 100 and humidity that was high enough that the sweat had a great deal of trouble evaporating. We got by with a window fan back then, but as soon as my dad could afford it, we had AC and it was a really great day to have a window unit.

Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon line. I live a mile from DC which was built on a swamp and is famous for hot humid weather and as a large city produces a heat island effect. Last summer was not bad though. Cost is indeed a factor in my decision, but I am philosophically opposed to refrigerated living spaces. I hope that doesn't upset you!

[photosbymark]

Maybe south of the Mason Dixon line, but its not the kind of heat so much of the nation endures. No you don't upset me on how you choose to live. That's your business not mine. Yet unless you have endured heat like south Fl, Az ect you might change your perspective about refrigerated spaces. In fact it can be really life threatening at times. We lost a couple of people this summer to heat stroke in un air conditioned homes this year. Temps of 110 can do that. Same in Ms AL and Fl, but its different its much more humid and La is a swamp with 100 degree heat.

When I lived in Michigan, except on the rarest of days AC really was something you could do without. They don't get summer there. We don't get winter really in Texas

[qmsdc15]

Well, the fact that I don't own a car upset you, so I wasn't sure if not using AC would also.

We get a lot of days with over 90º F and over 90% humidity. Trust me, this isn't Michigan.

I believe one can condition his or herself to hot weather, rather than condition the air.

I figure if I can do physically demanding outdoor work during the day in code red weather, I can survive being less active under the shade of my roof in the evening, and the slightly cooler nights.