Fuel

Discussion in 'General Bike Discussion' started by pnz, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. pnz

    pnz New Member

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    What alternative fuels are available for Two Stroke engines.
    I am looking into alcohol.
    Thinking of building a still. [​IMG]
    What I need to find out is, will pure alcohol and two stroke oil mix, and will the alcohol harm the engine.

    Next how can I make my own Two Stroke oil.
    Chicken fat, Pig lard, Burger griddle grease?.

    Zooming down the road smelling like a drunken hamburger!

    Bye Bye Oil companys, oops tires are rubber and petroleum. Tires made of bamboo, naaa.

    Any thoughts,
     
  2. chh55

    chh55 Drink plenty of water!!!

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    When you get 'er up and running I'll take 2 gallons! Hope the federalis aren't monitoring us!

    Actually the best alternative is to scrap your motor ideas and just pedal!
     
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  3. pnz

    pnz New Member

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    Na, the Doc said before I can start exercising I have to get healthy.
    And boy I got a long ways to go.




     
  4. Farnsworth

    Farnsworth New Member

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    Liquor won't help that. Not to mention Distilling is illegal in most states. You can brew just not distill.
     
  5. pnz

    pnz New Member

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    illegal in most states

    I am not sure what the legal part is today, but you can get a permit for 100 gallons a year. without a oenology license or permit thru the ATF. And beer and wine is 200 gallons per year. They suppose to issue a permit for fuel, even a farmer that takes his own produce (corn) and make fuel for his own use on the farm to run tractors has to apply for a permit thru the ATF. Laws SUCK, but its either that or the pajamas with nice black and white strips.


     
  6. Ykick

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    Distillation requires a lot of energy - I believe veggie diesel is a practical fuel to consider for home production. Not as many engine choices currently but the efficiency and vast options for making it in small quantities seem to be a very attractive fuel IMO. And I don't think you'll need to worry about the BATF either...

    Anybody seen small diesel engines?
     
  7. pnz

    pnz New Member

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    Nuclear fusion, the fusion source for a bicycle would be the size of a golf ball and last close two hundred years. And run electric wheel hub motors, that would be green.
    Governmental Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)



     
  8. MABman

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    Actually Alcohol is a really good fuel for 2 stroke engines due to the generally higher compression ratios they have that alcohol thrives on. You need a bit of assistance to get things flowing however in the form of a shot of ether.

    Many states are allowing distilling now along with BATF permits because of a boutique distillery movement afoot. The amount of energy necessary to distill is not that bad and can be achieved by several sustainable methods. Get David Blumes book "Alcohol Can Be A Gas" for all the info you should need.
     
  9. chh55

    chh55 Drink plenty of water!!!

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    The buses here run on raps oil, a yellow flower that is also used for cooking oil and margarine. Seems to work in their diesel engines quite well. Smell better too.
     
  10. Nigal

    Nigal YAY BAIKS! Tavern Member

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    I tried the alcohol thing once but I burned out my Flux Capacitor so I went back to burning garbage.
     
  11. Ykick

    Ykick New Member

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    I guess the RC model world uses small diesel engines and here's a guy who blended some veg oil with small amount of other ingredients to produce his own fuel that apparently works in a small, lightweight but very noisy engine.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g0ri5kiRkM]YouTube - Vegetable Oil as Diesel fuel for Model Airplane Engines[/ame]
     
  12. craisin

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    on my 50cc 4 stroke 4speed motorbike $5NZ a week and you get to ride every day
    My point is small engines are cheap to run why make things complex
     
  13. Farnsworth

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    Thanks Doc. LOL
     
  14. neicull

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    I know when you run fuel it burns much hotter then gasoline. You coould burn the melt a hole in the piston, melt you plug or burn the rings. A lot of things change when you use different fuels. You might be able to get away with it for a while, it just shortens the life of the internals. Try it the pistons and parts for those motors are super cheap and easy to replace. All in all I agree with craisin, why make things complex.
     
  15. craisin

    craisin New Member

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    well its easy to agree neicull too
    If you were to figure out how much it costs to set up a still in the first place and spent the money on gas you may have a few years running
     
  16. 47Steve

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    The tiny 2-strokes used in model airplanes run on methanol + castor oil.
     
  17. craisin

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    well with a bit of applied logic its easy to improve performance on a 2stroke engine and if you stay within the boundries of commonsense it should be more fuel-efficient
    So theres no need to mess with fuel with uncertain benefits
    When I was young it was more fun experimenting with girls:thumbsup: