Well, i couldn't take it any longer. i ordered a jamis commuter-4 last week and it just came in today. The guy that put it together and test rode it told me when i picked it that he want's one!...unfortnately by the time i got it home it was raining..but that's ok gives me time to put on the computer and try to figure out how to put a kick stand on..theres a tab welded right where it goes. maybe something on the rear,we'll see. can't wait for tomorrow!With a belt drive and fat, high pressure tires, it was so smooth and silent that you notice the "nothing".