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If a cop pulls you over for speeding on your bike, you're obviously going to get a ticket. But what happens if you dont have a license? What happens if you dont carry any form of ID? Or the only form of ID that you have is a school ID? What happens then? Will you still get ticketed?
 

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My dad once watched a guy get a ticket for running a stop sign. No not on a bike. Not in a car. He was walking, pushing a lawn mower. Pushed that lawn mower right through that stop sign and got a ticket. Course back then he got a cut of the ticket money and so the judge, but guess who wasn't re elected either.

Yet getting a ticket is easy. Paying for them is the hard part.
 

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My dad once watched a guy get a ticket for running a stop sign. No not on a bike. Not in a car. He was walking, pushing a lawn mower. Pushed that lawn mower right through that stop sign and got a ticket. Course back then he got a cut of the ticket money and so the judge, but guess who wasn't re elected either.

Yet getting a ticket is easy. Paying for them is the hard part.
Okay, I have to ask. Are you saying that your dad got a "cut" of all of the tickets that were handed out where you live? As that is what it appears that you are saying.
 

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Okay, I have to ask. Are you saying that your dad got a "cut" of all of the tickets that were handed out where you live? As that is what it appears that you are saying.
It also appears that he's saying he lived in a town that would fine you if you pass a horse on the street...well that is illegal in Indiana.
 

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You don't need a license to get a ticket.
True, and in some states you could be cited, or even arrested, for failure to provide identification. As far as I know cops will accept a school ID as proof of identification as long as it's a picture ID.
 

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I usually bring along my kid for ID. He'll point and say "That's my dad".
What if the kid knows your holding a gun on him and you forced him to say that?

Cops do accept school ID, and most if not all schools now use photo id's. I just went down to my motor vehicles office and paid $15 for a photo state ID. You can also save your old drivers license too if your state will let you keep it, some states may punch a hole in it but it still is good enough for cops.
 

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For the record my dad knew the constable. It was the constable that got a percentage of every single ticket they wrote back then. It was about the same as working on commission. The justice of the peace and sheriff IIRC were the same way. The Sheriff might have been tasked with running the department on the fines, but he got no salary. What wasn't used for the expenses was theirs.

At first blush it was an incentive to see that the officers got out and work, but in practice it lead to real problems and was discontinued decades ago. Yet my dad really saw a guy get a ticket for pushing a lawn mower through a stop sign
 

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True, and in some states you could be cited, or even arrested, for failure to provide identification. As far as I know cops will accept a school ID as proof of identification as long as it's a picture ID.
There is no law as far as I know that requires one to carry any form of ID on them. The only law/requirement is that when one is stopped by a member of the law enforcement community, that they ID themselves when asked. That can be as simple as giving the LEO your name, address and SSN if asked, or by showing them your drivers license (if one drives) or state ID, school ID, military ID.

It is also my understanding that if said member of the law enforcement community has reason to believe that you are being deceitful in the information that you have given them that they can detain you until they have ascertained that the information is correct.
 

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Actually if I understand correctly a non citizen is required to have documents on them proving their authorization to be in the country at all times and this is a federal requirement
 

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Actually if I understand correctly a non citizen is required to have documents on them proving their authorization to be in the country at all times and this is a federal requirement
Never heard of that. No one in New Zealand or Australia ever asked for any documents from me, and while all my Aussies have been in contact with the police for various things, not once have they been asked for more than ID.

The undocumented immigrant that ran into my car was given a ticket and sent on his way.
 

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The sargent down the street told me he don't bouther writeing tickets to undocumented immigrants as thay don't show up in court, but he has to.
 

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True, and in some states you could be cited, or even arrested, for failure to provide identification. As far as I know cops will accept a school ID as proof of identification as long as it's a picture ID.

Actually what most of you don't realize is that you ARE NOT required by law to have any form of ID on you as long as your an American citizen, not driving a car of course, or go into a bar, or buy something at a store that requires ID. All your required to do is give them is your name and address. Your social security number does not need to be given since it was never intended for ID purposes anyway. With today's computers they will check your address to make sure the name you gave them matches, if you give false information they will arrest you.
 

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There is no law as far as I know that requires one to carry any form of ID on them. The only law/requirement is that when one is stopped by a member of the law enforcement community, that they ID themselves when asked. That can be as simple as giving the LEO your name, address and SSN if asked, or by showing them your drivers license (if one drives) or state ID, school ID, military ID.

It is also my understanding that if said member of the law enforcement community has reason to believe that you are being deceitful in the information that you have given them that they can detain you until they have ascertained that the information is correct.
My statement was you could be cited or arrested. Depends on where you live. Check your local/state laws.
 

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Actually what most of you don't realize is that you ARE NOT required by law to have any form of ID on you as long as your an American citizen, not driving a car of course, or go into a bar, or buy something at a store that requires ID. All your required to do is give them is your name and address. Your social security number does not need to be given since it was never intended for ID purposes anyway. With today's computers they will check your address to make sure the name you gave them matches, if you give false information they will arrest you.
See post above. And if you think you couldn't see this>Street-level bureaucracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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See post above. And if you think you couldn't see this>Street-level bureaucracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ok, I read the site, but what does that have to do with laws? If the law does not require (at least at this time) that you carry ID while walking or riding a bike how does street bureaucracy effect that? It doesn't. The law is the law till it's changed then it becomes a new law. The site you gave says nothing about carrying ID.

Maybe I missed the point of the site, perhaps you can explain what you read into it.

I do believe that in the near future all people are going to be required to carry a state or possibly a federal ID at all times, but this could take about 15 years or so to implement, maybe sooner if a another major national problem occurs.
 

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Ok, I read the site, but what does that have to do with laws? If the law does not require (at least at this time) that you carry ID while walking or riding a bike how does street bureaucracy effect that? It doesn't. The law is the law till it's changed then it becomes a new law. The site you gave says nothing about carrying ID.

Maybe I missed the point of the site, perhaps you can explain what you read into it.

I do believe that in the near future all people are going to be required to carry a state or possibly a federal ID at all times, but this could take about 15 years or so to implement, maybe sooner if a another major national problem occurs.
What it has to do with law is simply this. It all comes down to the cop on the street. Policy and law may say one thing but it's the cop who enforces the law and ultimately decides how it's enforced. Ever hear of racial profiling? If a cop decides, for whatever reason ,that you need to go to jail, such as he doesn't like your response when you tell him you don't have to carry an ID, well guess what? You're going to jail. Right or wrong it does matter you're going to jail and the courts can work it out latter. Want to take a guess which side the court will take? Doesn't matter if the cop is wrong because you're still behind bars. That is Street Level Bureaucracy. The person who enforces the law is the one who decides what the law is.
 

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What it has to do with law is simply this. It all comes down to the cop on the street. Policy and law may say one thing but it's the cop who enforces the law and ultimately decides how it's enforced. Ever hear of racial profiling? If a cop decides, for whatever reason ,that you need to go to jail, such as he doesn't like your response when you tell him you don't have to carry an ID, well guess what? You're going to jail. Right or wrong it does matter you're going to jail and the courts can work it out latter. Want to take a guess which side the court will take? Doesn't matter if the cop is wrong because you're still behind bars. That is Street Level Bureaucracy. The person who enforces the law is the one who decides what the law is.
I see it all the time near where I live. Drive through the rich neighborhood in a rusty car, or if you're black at 3 over, you get a ticket. Blast through there at 20 over in your BMW, have a nice day. Sad really.
 

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A cop could run a person to jail for not having ID, problem is is just harassment because the as soon as the law is verified that the person doesn't need ID he's released AFTER they confirm his identity with no charges.

Yes it is sad about racial problems, we're all one race, God's race.

In reality even if we were all the same identical color there would be something found that would make one group of purple people better then the other group of purple people for whatever reason our sick minds can create.
 
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