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I did a ride last summer from Waller Mill up in Williamsburg, no wait it was the Patriot loop ride and a group from Pungo came up. They were very fast sprinters but didn't care much for the hills but had little problem with them. I thought about them when I saw these articles.Thanks for sharing... I have only ridin on the Va. Beach boardwalk so far, but would like to ride in some other area's, but no time soon. So many places to ride here that I still need to hit...